Community Meeting Transcript

Daniel T: (upbeat music) Hey, everyone. Can you hear me? All good? Uh- (clears throat) Yes. Um … sent by somebody from the community. I’m not exactly sure who. They went by Ellen. Um, and, uh, yeah, they were interesting. Uh, Ellen was supposed to MC today, and she’s not feeling well. And we had made a deal that I would wear as many hats as possible during this call, and every time I changed hats, she would talk about like, you know, “Oh, you should tell your friends about buying tickets.” So, I’m still gonna do the hat thing, and I might mention tickets quickly when, like after changing hats. I hope, uh, everybody consents to this. If you don’t, please tell me off, and I’ll shut up about tickets. But hey, like, you know, wave two ends today. Tell your friends who haven’t bought tickets yet to buy tickets today, so they get them for 20 euros less. Um, and since nobody else seems to be stepping in to do the, uh, topics, uh, I’m gonna start, well, I’m gonna start going through the topics which have been posted on the updates and on WhatsApp and so on. Do we have somebody from the ticketing team on here? I think possibly the closest-

Aaron R: I’m here.

Daniel T: Oh, yeah. You’re here. Hello, Aaron.

Aaron R: Hello. I mean, you pretty much said it all there, Daniel. Ticketing-

Daniel T: Ticket, tickets, tickets, tickets.

Aaron R: … wave two ends in the next few hours. I’m not sure how many hours, about f- three and a half now. Um, so yeah, if you haven’t got a ticket yet, grab it. If you’ve got any barrio chats where you can post to get other members of your barrio, please do that. And then ticket prices will go up at midnight. We’ve also got bus tickets on sale, so make sure you get in there. Uh, a couple of the routes are actually filling up, so I would encourage anybody who needs a bus ticket to also go and fill it up. Both links are on the website. I think that’s pretty much it, Daniel. Just keep reminding people to buy tickets.

Daniel T: Fantastic. Um, and as you can notice, I’ve changed my hat, so I get to mention tickets again. Like, if you’ve got a friend who… You know that friend that you told like, “Hey, you should totally come to this event in the desert,” and stuff like that, and you forgot to mention to them that it’s happening. Uh, you know, this is your, your sign to go and tell them, and send them a ticket link. Um, the next item on the list is about participation, updates on volunteers. Um, who wants to take this? I’m guessing possibly Nurse?

Michael M (nurse): Yes. Hello. I can do it. I’m just out in the street walking home. Um, so volunteers-wise, it’s looking less dire than it was a month ago, but it’s still not looking great. For the first crew, for the first week on site, they’re still about 50% short of the labor they need. So, unloading shipping containers, construction, getting things started. They’ve managed to pull together a canteen team, so it looks like we’ll have four people coming out to help with the kitchen, including one person who’s not even coming to the event. Um, one of the challenges we have is that some- if somebody doesn’t come early for the first week, so the, say, six people who came last year who aren’t coming, if they don’t come in the first week, they’re not here on the second week to help, and then they’re not here on the third week to help. So, if anyone in your camp or in your circle or in your sphere is interested in coming out early, let us know. The good news as well is that, um, in pre-event week, so just heading into the event, all the smaller teams like Barrio Support, LNT, they’re smashing it. They’ve got really good solid teams. I think people who… A lot of people who led projects last year clearly did a very good job, appreciated people, that people are coming back specifically to work for them. So I think it’s always good to praise and note that. But pre-event, it’s gonna be-… interesting, um, and have a lot more labor put on people. Event-wise, Gate is doing fantastically well. Again, that’s a really good project with a really good team around it that seems to get people coming back. They’re almost full for most of the key days. Um, event time, Nomads are signing up. The area that’s gonna be really difficult here is Malfare shift leads and site leads. So we just need to make sure that we’ve got a body of people who are willing to take an eight-hour stint, run the events, be the responsible grownup. And then, Strike, Strike is always the red-headed stepchild of the volunteer experience. Um, we might just be a bit thin on numbers there, so we’re gonna start to, to look at that. But yeah, the more people that can stay for a one-day post-event, or two days, or three days is great. Um, even though the quantity is less than we want, the quality’s amazing. Nonstop, my emails are going every day. Like, people are really busy or working really hard. It’s amazing how much people have pulled on. Like, you cannot fault how much people are doing. And just for each of you, make sure that you’re, you know, getting some rest. You’re doing a huge amount to pull this all together. Let’s remember to be nice to each other. I think some people, one of the teams in particular, people haven’t been happy with placement or some other aspect of the event or work. People can get a bit snippy. It’s quite stressful. You’re all doing amazing. Overall, it’s a great team to work with. I’m super happy. We just need more people. But yeah, that’s it. Thanks for everybody who’s signing up. You … And also, if you’re on this call, you’re one of the people who’s doing the most amount of work to make this happen, so it’s, it’s pretty impressive. So, I hope you get as much or a little, as little orgy time on side as you want. It’s a choose-your-own-adventure story, but you deserve to get whatever you want during the event.

Daniel T: And even if you’re watching this call, ’cause there are a few people who watch the videos, like, you know, I, I checked the YouTube channel, and some people do watch the videos. Uh, if you’re watching this call, you’re also one of the special people who, uh, is probably quite involved. Um, I’ve changed my hat again, so this gives me another chance to mention tickets and barrios. Like, you know, if you’re in a barrio, like, you know, there might be some barrio members who have kind of dragged their heels, they haven’t bought their tickets yet, and they could do two, like kill two birds with one stone. They could buy a ticket, and they could sign up to come onsite, like, to be first onsite as well. You know, maybe do both at the same time. That would be, like, you know, extra, extra cool. Um, next, uh, we have, “City planners can’t contain their enthusiasm,” is the way the agenda item has been stated. Uh, who’s from city planning who can talk about this? Who’s, who’s, who’s here can’t contain their enthusiasm? Is there somebody from city planning who can’t contain their enthusiasm?

Pablo V: Mm-hmm.

Daniel T: Hmm.

Pablo V: Yeah, the worst note-taker ?

Daniel T: Um, I don’t think Ward’s note-taker is, uh, looking particularly enthusiastic-

City Planning lead: No.

Daniel T: … right now. Ah, there you go.

City Planning lead: No, I am the enthusiast.

Daniel T: Yay. (clears throat)

City Planning lead: (laughs) Yes. It’s, uh, to … a message for barrio, because the container placement starts. So for now, we only have the old way, like the giving you some PDF where you can draw your container and specific information if you need. And there is the new way, the, with the app, um, Humans that is gonna come this weekend, I hope. (laughs) We are, development is still going on. But it’s gonna come soon. For us, it’s easier if you do it on Humans to place your containers, because less work afterward to drawback the containers into, um, um, computers. But yes, please do it. You have two weeks to do it. The deadline, I think, is on the 26th or 27th of May.

Daniel T: So to be clear, this is open now. People can start drawing their containers on the map now.

City Planning lead: No.

Daniel T: No.

City Planning lead: It will open this weekend.

Daniel T: This weekend, probably.

City Planning lead: But they can download the PDF file-

Daniel T: Yep. Okay.

City Planning lead: … already and start planning their barrio lay- layout.

Daniel T: Okay. Are you done?

City Planning lead: Yes.

Daniel T: Yeah, cool. So, uh, I have changed my hat again. So, um, tickets, again. Uh, if, uh, there is somebody, maybe the, your, your person who knows where to place all the containers hasn’t got their tickets yet, or, um, you know, some- so- somebody related to your build might not yet have their tickets. Maybe get in touch with them. Check that they have their tickets. Um, because otherwise, it goes up in price at n- like, you know, at the end of tonight. And then the next item we have is power team. Uh, “Power team has a blank or two for you,” is the way this has been stated. I’m very curious to find out what that means, if there’s somebody from the power team here. Yeah. Cut to me.

Cupcake: That’d be me.

Daniel T: Hello.

Cupcake: Hi. Uh, yeah. So the blank or two, um, we’ve got a form for the barrios that are connecting to the grid. We’ve got, uh, about half of the barrios that are trying to connect to the grid this year have done the form, and so if there are any barrios present or are watching this, um, or if you know any barrios who have been dragging their feet on that, we do need that information about all the barrio power use in order to get the grid planned properly. So, that is top priority, uh, for right now.Um, and, uh, that’s, that’s, that’s all there is for power right now.

Daniel T: By the way, it’s amazing how much work you guys have done to, like, you know, connect everything up and stuff. And, uh, uh, I was, uh, shocked to find out just how much power the garden is planning to, to consume. But, uh, that’s a, a separate, separate topic to be taken offline. (laughs)

Cupcake: Yes. We have to, we have to reassign the grid for that, but don’t worry. We’re on it.

Daniel T: Yeah.

Cupcake: (laughs)

Daniel T: I th- I think, I think we might need three grids, you know, the yel- the yellow grid, the red grid and the garden grid, like, you know. (laughs) Anyway, (laughs) uh, thank you so much for all your, all your work making this happen, ’cause God knows that if we don’t have fridges and stuff like that functioning, it’s not gonna be a fun burn. So, uh, not to mention sound systems as well, you know, to play all that mediocre house. Um, so thank you so much. And obviously, I’ve changed my hat again, which gives me the power to mention tickets again. Um, and to move on also to the next item, which is also kind of, like, ticket-related, uh, which is a bus reminder, which I think Aaron mentioned sort of already, but maybe there’s somebody else who wants to do a bit more-

Cupcake: This one’s me again.

Daniel T: All right.

Cupcake: … I think. Because while, yes, the buses were mentioned, we have also, um, we’re, we’re trying to get enough interest gathered for a Barrio Build bus. So that’s on Wednesday, July 1st. Um, in previous years, it hasn’t been very popular, and so we were thinking of not doing it. But there have been a lot of people in a few barrios that, uh, were really hoping to get to site on the first day of Barrio Build. So currently, we’ve got 27 people who have expressed interest. So we’re just about at that point where we’re, we can, we can, uh, break even on that bus. But, uh, if you, um, are interested in one of those buses, there are, um, links on the Discord, and, um, maybe I’ll just put one in chat for good measure.

Daniel T: Thank you. Um, and, uh, this leads us to the next topic, which you may notice I’ve put on a brown hat. This is related to the next topic, ’cause we’re gonna be talking about LNT. And you might be surprised to know that a very large portion of ticket price goes into paying for loos. Um, this is, uh, (laughs) one of the surprises of looking deep into the finances of the event. Loos are expensive, and changing the loos, like, you know, getting them for maintenance, it’s pretty expensive. And, um, there’s, uh, uh, an item here, what’s new in poo? LNT update. Who’s taking this, uh, sexy item? Anyone? Is it not sexy enough? 9.3% of our budget should be pretty sexy. Maybe we don’t have anybody from LNT right now. In which case, we might not be able to find out what’s new in poo, which is very sad, because I’m sure it would have been very exciting. There’s no U in poo. Yeah. No, I mean, yes, that is true. (coughs) And it rhymes. (coughs) Okay. Um, well, if the LNT update comes around, we will get back to that. Um-

Pablo V: Um, if I can just add about the-

Daniel T: Yes, Pablo.

Pablo V: … future, future toilets, like, one of the motivations that a lot of people express for having a new site in the future, uh, is because we could do things like build structures for toilets that could be compost and that could reduce that, uh, cost over time, so just a side note.

Daniel T: Thank you, Pablo. And, uh, moving on to the next item, I’ve put on a hat with fairy lights, because the next item is about art, which another big portion of our ticket price goes into art, and we’re hoping very much to start increasing that in, in future years. We’ve seen how much Borderland gives to Dream Grants, and, like, we’re kind of slightly, you know, feeling a bit, uh, inferior there. And so we’ll try and increase that over the, the coming years. Um, and, but the next item is about the last call for art grants. Uh, who’s on the call? Is Ollie here or somebody? Talk about art grants. There’s another one where we’re missing the person. I guess we might be missing someone from arts. Ah, that’s a shame. No poo and no art, like, both, bo- both the biggest ticket prices, um, or two of the biggest expenses not present. But, uh, I guess the item is self-explanatory that, um, it is the last call for art grants. If you want to get an art grant for your project, or if you know an artist who might want to come to the event and bring their art, you can kill two birds with one stone by telling them they should apply for an art grant, and they should get a ticket, because it goes up in price at the end of today. (clears throat) Which brings me to the next item, um, the last item in our agenda, which is support for radical inclusion, resources on the inclusion team, and that’s gonna be Tilke. Do I, do I magnify you as well, Anna, or just Tilke?

Tilke: I think me for now is good. But Anna, if you wanna step in at some point, please do. (laughs) Um, this topic came up because some barrios were struggling with some, like, ethical, uh, questions. And for example, the, how do you deal with people from Israel applying to your barrio, and the, the current genocide or other political themes that are happening or are very big right now in the world. Um, and there was quite a discussion happening, uh, on Discord. Uh, some people may have seen it. Um, and the inclusion team was asked to put together some advice, some guidelines, which I also posted already in that group on Discord. Uh, but if other people are, um, also interested in that, you can always, uh, email also to the inclusion team, and I would love to present it also today. Um, I will quickly go through it. Uh, not, like, step on every detail that’s in there, uh, because you can read it yourself. Um, let’s see if I can share it.I think it should be visible right now. Um, otherwise, please someone interrupt me so I don’t feel like, uh, an idiot. (laughs) Um, so, uh, the first thing that we did was look a bit into the framework of Elsewhere. Uh, we have some framework, um, being first the principles, of course, which inclusion is one of them, where it says, “Everyone is welcome to be a nobody. Uh, people come as they are and that’s a point. Uh, include others in the way that you want to be included.” Um, all of that. We also have the code of conduct, where everyone who buys a ticket automatically agrees with this code of conduct, uh, which also says, “We will not tolerate, uh, all different kinds of discrimination and harassment.” Uh, which, if you do not know, maybe read the conduct again (laughs) before coming to Elsewhere. Um, and a third one we have is community standards, uh, which also says something about respectful interactions, uh, where we try to understand each other’s cultures, opinions and motivations, uh, and all of that, which is more about also Elsewhere, the culture when we’re all together in the dust. Um, what makes this discussion that popped up such a difficult topic? I think, one, there is the discussion around how much space politics and the state of the world, um, can take place at a burn. Um, it’s not actually embedded in the principle, but it is very present in our culture that politics should leave, like, not be too present on the playa. Um, but I know a lot of barrios and people that struggle with that. Also, the question arises, like, how much of that can be privileged, because some people don’t have the privilege, for example, to leave politics behind because of their identity. Um, so might be interesting also to create a community conversation about this in the future, like, how, how do we deal with this? Um, which is not necessarily something we, we want to organize right now, but maybe after the event of this year might be interesting. And if people would be interested in that, uh, you can definitely reach out. But a second thing, often in the world, uh, but, but in general, uh, in, in also during the burn, people often react out of a space of hurt and trauma. We all have our own backpacks, um, which often leads also to room for less nuance in discussions, especially about more difficult ones, about, like, politics and stuff like that. We also, we as humans, uh, often base our, uh, interactions on very little information we have at hand, especially people we don’t know very well, people we just met, people we are dancing with on the dance floor, all of that. Uh, and we, with, with this we tend to make quick associations and sometimes act on assumptions instead of facts, which is important to be aware of. Um, and there is also the legal component of, like, asking for private information, conducting screenings. Like, especially for camp leads, for example, like, where is that edge of, like, what can we ask when people ar- like, apply for a barrio, what can we not ask? There’s difficult, uh, debates. Which brings me also to challenges as, uh, a camp lead or as a barrio. Um, when you get applications where topics are touched, uh, with a lot of public debate, uh, for example, Israel and the genocide in Palestine, trans rights, people who had previous consents accidents or violations, like this kind of things, it is very challenging as a camp lead how to deal with that. Also, as camp lead, you’re trying to keep an eye on everything that cause, that can cause a possible conflict in camp. You’re trying to work as preventively as you can to make the workload or, like, the, the, the culture as safe, uh, as possible during the event also Um, and everyone is trying to create a s- a space as safe as possible, uh, with people from very b- different backgrounds and stories, which is, in every community, a big challenge. Um, and also the balance of, like, where does including some people lead to excluding other people? Um, like, I’m, I’m a camp lead for … myself. Like, we’re a very queer barrio. Like, how much emphasize do you put on, like, um, do we only want queer people in the barrio, or, like, does that start excluding, like, people that are not queer? Like, like, things like this, for example. It can be a very difficult ethical balance. Um, the next thing is a bit of, um, information about the differences between discrimination and microaggressions. I’m not gonna go in very much detail here, but it’s interesting to read, which also it’s a big difference w- Because a lot of discrimination is protected by law, for example, but we also have a lot of microaggressions, which is more, um, little things that are not necessarily, like, official discrimination or protected by law, but they’re also hurtful for people. Uh, and in Elsewhere, of course, we strive for an environment where both don’t happen, but, of course, like, we’re human and, like, these things happen. And it is, um, a bit of an, an, an art almost to create the tools in your barrio to deal when these things happen. Um, which then brings me to tools, uh, that we offer as the inclusion team to create nuance and mediate in your barrio, um, like some advice on how to approach your application. For example, a lot of people have their own code of conduct for their barrio, um, where we advise to, uh….. mm, show very much what you do stand for, um, and, um, in this case, it is very easy to s- get stuck on more general concepts like inclusion and anti-discrimination, where I think we can all agree on that we, um, we want that. But it might be interesting also to tell people what does that look like in your barrio. Give examples on, like, how do you work on that. Because these, um, things are used so much by now that they’re becoming quite empty, um, so that’s something that you can do. Um, try to keep the same approach for everyone that’s applying to your barrio. Um, if you feel that something is off, uh, your intuition is tingling, talk to people. Sometimes it also gets lost in online communication, um, especially with so many languages, uh, that are going around. So try to move past that. Go into contact with people. Do a video call if you have the energy. Um, and then some advice of, like, when, like, conflict actually happens, for example, during the Burn, but sometimes even online already in preparation for the Burn, what can you do, steps to deescalate. Um, and another advice that we give is, like, have a policy also at hand if things go into conflict. Explain to people, like, what you do as a barrio, uh, when that does happen, uh, so people know what to expect. And also, when conflict happens, then you have a policy that you can use to act on, and you’re not acting out of a personal thing, which also really helps to deescalate, uh, in conflicts. Um, as a last thing, uh, is working towards repair whenever possible. Um, I really advise looking into transformative justice and communal accountability. Those are big terms, uh, but if people are very interested in that, that’s, uh, some advice I can give to, like, start reading books or, like, uh, interviews or whatever. Um, and we give some tips and tricks about, uh, what that actually means to, like, acknowledge and validate the hurt and harm that’s caused. But, um, where we start by listening to the person who has been hurt, but also create space or, like, um, don’t cut loose the person that has caused the harm, um, which is also about, like, um, accountability as a community, and help address the root, uh, why this has happened because maybe it’s a bigger thing than just this person alone. This is very quickly going through, like, quite a bit of information. Um, I’m gonna leave it at this. Um, stop sharing. But I, I want to say, like, if at any point there are some, uh, things that you struggle with as a barrio, like an ethical discussion or, like, something is appearing between your members or with an application and you’re not sure what to do, we are not the all-knowing wizards (laughs) , but we do have some experience in our team. Uh, it’s not only me. We have a amazing team with experiences around queerness, around BIPOC, about disability, uh, about harm reduction, all of this kind of stuff, so please do reach out. Uh, the email is on the website. The email is also in this document, um, that I sh- uh, just showed. So please do reach out if you need us. That’s it.

Daniel T: Thank you, Tilke. And if anybody has questions about this, obviously, please feel free to ask them. I wanna, I wanna s- say also, like, you know, people who, uh, sign up to this, um, uh, like, uh, d- so, like, there is s- there is support on, on this, like, in inclusion. We have a fantastic inclusion team, like, for at least the last couple of years, uh, maybe even before that, but I wasn’t fully aware of it. And they’re available to help before the event, and they’re also available to help during the event. Like, I know that a couple of days ago, there was a call between the inclusion and Malfare and consent and so on, and all these teams, like, are not necessarily quite as active during the event as, uh, well, they, but, but, but they can be. They are available, so if you’ve got an issue like this, Malfare knows how to get in touch. So maybe, you know, get a, get some nomads or go t- go to Malfare and, like, you can get support for these kinds of issues. And, you know, people don’t sign up to be, you know, queer inclusion lead without caring about queer inclusion (laughs) , you know? So if there’s an issue to do with queer inclusion, they’re gonna want to help because they care. Um, so, yeah, I think that’s really awesome. It’s a really fantastic thing about, about Elsewhere. I see that Nurse has their, uh, his hand up, so I’m gonna pin him, and I’m gonna unpin myself.

Nurse: Yeah. Thanks for that, Tilke. I really appreciate the logical and clear assessment on it. I’m just going to vent, and I’m just going to rant. Every year since October the 7th, at the event, we get this flare-up. Our Israeli, Jewish, MidBurn, some of whom serve in the IDF, are one of the largest, most consistent minority groups at the event. The event always goes off without fail, and it’s fine, and things are fine. Half these people don’t even get someone’s name before they fucked them in an orgy, let alone checking their service history. It just does worry me that every year, there’s some flare-up of discussions of, how can we single out this individual group and not let these people in? So, I mean, like I said, there’s no easy answer. It’s messy. It’s very messy. And I will say that, you know, it’s a complex geopolitical issue, and lots of us don’t fully understand it, including those of us who have opinions. But, you know, the event where this took place, on October the 7th, like, there are people from our community who were at their event. Their sister, you know, there are people who have lost friends there.So it’s a very, very grayish area and I appreciate you looking at it. I just find, it’s the only group that it seems to be acceptable, and I think people are having that conversation. You know, a few years ago, there was somebody who was suggesting they didn’t even want Zionists in their camp. Eat Your Heart Out handled that exceptionally well. I really appreciate the way that was handled. So, it’s a messy issue. I don’t know enough about the geopolitical situation. Most of us who have this opinion do. But I will say, we’ve got a cohort of our volunteers, you know, last year at Strike, 10% of our cohort of volunteers for Strike were those people. So, a lot of it is people virtually speaking online, but yeah. I just have to say, I think that they’re the only group that would be tolerated in any way saying the sort of stuff that’s been said online. That’s it.

Daniel T: Thank you, uh, Nurse. Um, I, I have put on a new hat. I feel a bit, like, out of, uh, out of touch mentioning tickets right now. But, um, I’ll kind of weave into it by saying that, like, to me, inclusion, the fact that inclusion is a principle of, uh, of, of, of Burning Man has been a massive, uh, a massively important thing for me, for my belonging to this community. I find it really unpleasant to be in communities, no matter how positive they are, if at the edges, they behave violently towards people where there’s a kind of, a little bit of a gray area. That’s why I got involved in consent, uh, back in 2020, and that’s why I care about this. And I, like, it matters a lot to me that inclusion, which is a complicated topic that has a lot of nuance to it, is handled well. Uh, and I’m, it really, uh, uh, warms my heart to see that it is handled well at Elsewhere, it’s really important to me. Um, and, yeah, I can’t quite link that to tickets, but, like, you know, maybe, you know, find somebody who needs to be included and invite them to, to Elsewhere, and so they can get the benefit of this inclusion (laughs) by buying a ticket. Does anybody have any other questions? I see a comment from Ant. I’m not sure if that’s a question, though. I do have one more hat, which might give me the opportunity to mention tickets one more time, but after somebody else says something. Um, does anybody have any questions, statements? They wanna jump in? Start a debate? Share a story? Um, say anything at all or do we want to end this call soon? I will give it a little bit of time. We w- we put this topic last ’cause we were expecting a lot of, a lot of discussion, but it feels like there isn’t quite as much as we might have expected, which is either good or bad depending on how you look at it, or neither. Doesn’t have to be good or bad. Um, no flag, yeah, I mean, like, so actually that’s a really good point about flags. Um, I believe, like, Bur- Burning Man has a sort of, like, general approach that, you know, we don’t display commercial symbols, you don’t, like, you know, have lots of, like, Coke banners and Pepsi and whatever, and all that kind of stuff. And flags are kind of part of the sort of, like, symbols of the default world, from my perspective. I would hope not to see a, even though I’m, I’m from Switzerland, I would hope not to see a Swiss flag, or a French flag, or a Spanish flag, or a Catalonian flag, or oth- any other flags at Elsewhere. And that’s been the case for every year that I’ve been. I v- don’t think I’ve seen any kind of prominent flags anywhere, so it feels like that’s, that’s, that’s worked. Yeah, Swiss camp is okay, just not a Swiss flag. Um, Swiss get a whole pass. Does anyone else want to say anything else? Or are we ready for the very last ticket mention with the very last hat? I don’t have any more hats after this one. Um, remember, wave two ends in about three and, few hours and 20 minutes. After that, ticket prices go up by 20 Euros. It’s not a huge difference, but it can be enough of a difference to encourage somebody who was waiting for a reason to buy their tickets to buy it now. So, if you know one of these people who’s on the fence, um, maybe ping them and say, “Hey, like, you know, might as well buy your ticket now because the prices go up at midnight.” And, uh, then they’ll get it for 20 Euros less. So, okay. With, uh, this mentioned, I’ll take off my last hat and bid you all a Guten (laughs) (coughs) I don’t know, I’ve forgotten, Tank. Um, maybe you can, maybe you can mention it. Uh, (laughs) I don’t have any hats anymore, so my brain’s falling out. Um, all right. I’ll see you all next week. I guess we have another call next week. And, um, hopefully we’ll fi- we’ll find out what’s new with Poo. And, um, (laughs) and, uh, uh, yeah. Have a lovely evening. Enjoy your weekend. Take care, everybody. And, uh, yeah. Bye.